Chat with Page 2's Kieran Darcy
Welcome to SportsNation! On Friday, Page 2's Kieran Darcy stops by to chat about the "Great Debates." Friday's debate discusses college football vs. the NFL.
Darcy is a general editor for ESPN.com's Page 2. He joined ESPN in August of 2000, after graduating from the University of Pennsylvania, where he played four years of JV basketball for the Quakers.
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Kieran Darcy (2:01 PM)
Hello everyone! Hope you enjoyed today's debate on Page 2, and the debates we had all week long. Ready to chat about them!
Kieran Darcy (2:04 PM)
In case you didn't see it, today I debated fellow Page 2-er LZ Granderson about which is better, college football or the NFL. Here's the link -- let me hear your thoughts!http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=granderson_darcy/090807
NFL hands down. When you combine the excitement of the playoffs with fantasy and the best athletes in the sport, it's the NFL.
Kieran Darcy (2:07 PM)
I have to agree with you John, that's the side I took in the debate.
David Carroll (North Providence, RI)
I wanted to first thank you again for the piece you wrote 2 years ago about the Newbury College Nighthawks baseball team, "the good news nighthawks", as I was on that team and featured in the article. Which overtime system do you believe to be better? Certainly neither is without flaws and the college system would not work in the pros and vise versa. Is there middle ground in which both could adopt the same policy and it not be so controversial?
Kieran Darcy (2:10 PM)
Hey David, good to hear from you. I really enjoyed working on that article with you guys, hope you're all doing well.As for the overtime systems -- that's another reason why I prefer the NFL, I hate the college system. That's not real football, having each team start in the opponent's territory.
Kieran Darcy (2:11 PM)
That said, I don't like the fact that each team isn't guaranteed a possession in OT in the NFL. I'd advocate for a system that guarantees that, but there really seems to be no perfect solution out there.
Kieran Darcy (2:12 PM)
I'd actually like to see each team get at least one possession -- so if the team that wins the toss scores, the other team has the right to try to match that score. If they tie it up, then it's sudden death from there.But there's flaws in that system too.
The best part about the NFL is that the league tells you who to play. It's not like the Patriots are playing the Lions 8 times a year to try and bolster their record.
Kieran Darcy (2:15 PM)
I agree with you Wes. NFL scheduling is better -- although teams with bad records do get easier schedules the following year, that in at least a small part explains why the Dolphins were able to make such a huge leap last season.
College Football. More pagaentry, Better Fans, Better Tailgaiting, Better overall experience.
Kieran Darcy (2:17 PM)
I agree with you on the pageantry. As for fans and tailgating, I think that depends on the teams and the game. I've seen great college atmospheres AND great pro atmospheres.
I prefer the NFL as well. There are way to many Bowl Games from, way to many divisions that involve non-number 1 and 2 teams. It is very confusing to try to determine who is actually the best college team.
Kieran Darcy (2:21 PM)
As I mentioned in the debate, one of things I really can't stand about college football is, the regular season wraps up around the end of November, and then you have to wait over a month to get to the national championship game. That's ludicrous, in my humble opinion.
Kieran Darcy (2:22 PM)
I must admit though, part of my anti-college football stance comes from the fact that I grew up just outside of New York City, and there are no big-time college football programs in NYC to root for.
Kieran Darcy (2:22 PM)
However, it looks like there's going to be a bowl game at the new Yankee Stadium, which would be pretty cool.
Paul (Lowell, MA)
That's true but is there anything less interesting than watching two 7-9 teams battle it out on a Monday night game?
Kieran Darcy (2:27 PM)
I can't say I watch "Monday Night Football" every week -- but more often than not I tune in for at least part of the game. Even if it's two 7-9 teams. Maybe there are fantasy football implications. But beyond that, I can watch pretty much any NFL game -- because in the NFL, you only have 32 teams. You can get a handle on it -- most football fans have a working knowledge of every NFL team. Makes it much easier, and more interesting, to watch.
Kieran Darcy (2:28 PM)
Plus "Monday Night Football" is a good excuse to hit a sports bar for some beer and buffalo wings.
Dave (Santa Barbara, CA)
Granted the NFL has the better athletes and far more talent, but in my opinion great rivalries make for great sports. And, college football has better rivalries hands down. Nothing beats Ohio St. - Michigan or Auburn - Alabama.
Kieran Darcy (2:31 PM)
I don't know Dave -- from the crib, I was indoctrinated as a hard-core Giants fan, and I've bitterly hated the Cowboys, Redskins and Eagles ever since. Can't imagine a much fiercer rivalry than those in the NFC East.
John (San Francisco)
To me, it all comes down to Saturdays vs Sundays. Saturdays you're all amped up and ready to have "a few" beers, not a worry in the world, making the whole gameday experience that much better. Sundays are tarnished by feeling "a little" bad after a glorious Saturday, and by the afternoon games Monday looms large. A fantastic cure for a hangover, sure, but not quite the blissful experience that Saturday provides.
Kieran Darcy (2:36 PM)
A valid point, John. But as a huge NFL fan, I don't know if I'd flip the days, even if I could. Saturdays are always fun, year-round, no matter what. But Sundays during NFL season are so much better than Sundays in the NFL offseason. Almost feels like having an extra Saturday, since I get so amped for the NFL games. (And I just put Monday out of my head!)
Mike (Belvidere, IL)
I lean towards Sundays because it is more of a sure thing. I know my favorite team (the Bears) are going to be playing another team with decent talent 14 out of the 16 weeks a year (they play the Lions twice). However, there are those Saturday games where my favorite college team is scheduled to play St. Mary Women's College of Northeastern Pennslyvania. I don't like knowing I'm going to watch a blowout going into a game...which happens a lot on Saturdays.
Kieran Darcy (2:40 PM)
Couldn't agree with you more, Mike.
I've always been one who looked at college football as the NFL minor leagues. To me, watching a mid-season college game is the equivalent of watching a AAA baseball game.
Kieran Darcy (2:44 PM)
I feel the same way Jason. Unless it's a huge game, I have a hard time getting into a midseason college game.
Kieran Darcy (2:45 PM)
The funny thing is though, I love college basketball, even though you could make the same argument for college basketball as you did for college football. Anyone else feel that way?
Do you really need a reason to drink beer and eat wings?
Kieran Darcy (2:48 PM)
The correct answer is: NO. But a reason, like a Monday night game, makes it look better :)
Kieran Darcy (2:50 PM)
Interesting take. For me, college hoops is much more of a team game than the NBA game -- that's one of the reasons I like it better.
Ed Hochuli (Chat Ref)
That's illegal procedure against Kieran for using an emoticon in the chat. That is clearly against chat protocol. 5 yards and repeat 2nd down.
Kieran Darcy (2:53 PM)
Craig G. (Fairfield, CA)
To me, college rivalries are better than NFL because usaully anything can happen no matter how good or bad either team is. It is much more likely in the college game that a 3-8 team can beat a 9-2 team. Your thoughts?
Kieran Darcy (2:55 PM)
Yeah, I'd say you're probably right -- there's a little more unpredictability in the college game, when it comes to a 9-2 team vs. a 3-8 team. That said, another thing I mentioned in the debate is that I really don't like the fact that it's the same teams every year at the top of the college rankings: USC, Florida, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas.
Kieran Darcy (2:55 PM)
I find the NFL much more exciting, when a 1-15 Dolphins team can win 10 more games the following year, or an Atlanta Falcons team with a rookie QB can go from 4-12 to 11-5.
the thing with the NFL and all pro teams is they take plays and games off because they dont have to work to get at the next level. but in college they have to give 110% if they want o make it to the next level and get the big bucks. in football its not as notiecable but its there, now its really bad in baseketball
Kieran Darcy (2:57 PM)
There's probably some truth to that -- pros have already reached the peak of their profession, and many of them are being extremely handsomely paid.
If the NCAA would implement a playoff, would that change your mind? March Madness is a huge deal during basketball season, but if you bring that into the college football ranks I think it would give NFL viewership a run for their money.
Kieran Darcy (2:59 PM)
If the NCAA instituted, say, an eight-team playoff at the end of the season, that would definitely make my interest in college football much higher. I might still not be that into it early in the season, but come crunch time, with teams vying for playoff spots, I would definitely watch more. And I'd probably watch all of the playoff games.
This is largely a senseless argument. It's all football...and it's all good.
Kieran Darcy (3:00 PM)
You're right Bob. A good note to end on. Thanks for all the questions/comments everyone, and have a great weekend!