Mario - Montreal
Max, If we are truly in the age of the "Super Heavyweights", this era were many say the former greats (those below 6'4"/220lbs)e.g. Joe Louis, Ali, Frazier, Marciano etc. would simply not "cut-it" today. How is it then that the hot names right now are former Middleweights? Jones...Toney. As well, Byrd as a heavyweight is no Super heavyweight! Talent over size wins. A young prime Frazier would have caused a lot of damage in today's heavyweight division. Remember the size fo the guy he won the title from!...your comments. Thanks/good show.
Hey everybody. Yes, Toney's, Byrd's and Roy Jones' recent heavyweight success certainly makes my super heavyweight argument. Lennox suddenly looks old and the Klitschkos do not look like world beaters. Jones, Toney and Byrd all match up well against the likes of David Tua and Hassime Rahman. Still, the larger heavyweights are not great at the moment and yet are able to compete with truly great smaller fighters based primarily on their size advantage. So while Toney, Byrd and Jones might beat a lot of the really big guys, the yshould not have to give up 40+ pounds to good fighters. I agree that the way the heavyweight division looks at the moment, a super heavyweight division suddenly does not look so necessary. Still, shouldn't we have the apparatus in place, so when the situation changes and the next batch of really good big men come along, the Toneys, Byrds, Oquendos and the like have a fighting chance?
Halifax, Nova Scotia
TONEY vs TYSON now that's an interesting matchup. Your comments MAX !!
Its a great event, and a mismatch. Toney destroys Tyson.
Max, would the Toney that fought Saturday night give RJR a run for his money?
Max Kellerman (3:10 PM)
andy - green bay
whats next for toney, is he as good as he looks or is holyfield just that bad in his old age
Max Kellerman (3:16 PM)
Holyfield certainly looked very old, and yet it was Toney who made him look that way. Look, (I always end up using my column here in the chatroom - oh well)everyone makes a big deal of Holyfield's record - I think its 2 wins in his last 8 fights. But dig a little deeper, and you find that in the rematch with Lennox, which he lost, he fought very well and dropped a farily close decision to the heavyweight champion of the world who outweighed him by 30 pounds. Evander has a good case that he won all three fights from John Ruiz. He beat Hassime Rahman and then lost to Byrd - the slickest southpaw (!) in the division. So while his record doesn't look great, his performances in thering have been far better than his record indicates - that is until Toney. Toney took Evander to school. Were I handling James' career I would angle for Roy Jones at cruiserweight.
Bill - Manassas, Va
Max, please let's not confuse the Holyfield from Saturday with RJJ! RJJ destroys Toney!
Max Kellerman (3:18 PM)
I'll take Roy on points, but Idon't know about destroy. While Roy had his way with Toney in their first fight, he did not exactly destroy him. Royi slapped and spun James for the first eight, and then held for the last four. I'd expect more or less the same thing in a rematch, with Toney doing a little better this time.
wonderboy (greensboro, NC)
Shane has mentioned he wants Mayorga. What do you see happening in that fight?
Mayorga Vs. Sugar Shane. I say Sugar in a 12 Round Decision. Mayorga couldn't 'Fight' his way out of a garbage bag.
Max Kellerman (3:19 PM)
I like Shane on points, but make no mistake - Mayorga can't box. He can definitely fight.
Max Toney can't compete with a large heavyweight that's a fact, since his win over the shot Evander he's only called out the small heavies, that's an indictment of his true feelings of his ability to compete in this division if you ask me.
Max Kellerman (3:20 PM)
I don't think James Toney sweats anyone.
Brian, Portland, Oregon
What's your pick on Barrera - Pacquiao? I think Manny just might have the speed and punch to pull off the upset.
Max Kellerman (3:21 PM)
I like Barrera big. Pacquiao is a dynamic boxer-puncher, but I think a little overrated. Barrera is a truly great fighter.
While I agree that Roy beats Toney,NOBODY will be destroying James anytime in the next six years.Agree?
Max Kellerman (3:22 PM)
I don't know how long James will be even as dedicated as he has been recently, but I cannot see him being routed in the near future. In fact, Toney vs. anyone is a fight that would require analysis. You cannot dismiss his chances against anyone out of hand.
Louis - Cincinnati
I'll put $100 right now on Jones vs. anybody in the world, period!
Max Kellerman (3:23 PM)
A lot of people would.
Andy, Monroe CT
Max, I think you are overestimating RJR's abilities. I think he would end up running from Toney and his skills are not what they used to be. I predict Toney catched him late & wins!
Max Kellerman (3:24 PM)
how do you like morales against chico or cassamayer? and do you think the stoppage was quick in the corrales cassamyer showdown?
Max Kellerman (3:25 PM)
I thought Corrales should have been given the one more round he asked for, but then for all the talking I do about fighter's safety, I am really just another blood-thirsty boxing fan when you get right down to it. Maybe the stoppage was for the best. I thought though, that Corrales had hurt Cassamayor at the end of the last round and was still very much in the fight.
Roy from LA
Max, settle this for me: Barrera (prime, post-Junior Jones) vs. Ruben Olivares at 122? I think a prime Ruben stops him late in a classic.
Max Kellerman (3:27 PM)
Maybe too close to call, but I might actually like Barrera on points - I think he is the more accurate puncher of the two. Ruben was the bigger hitter.
Reggie (Phoenix, Az.)
Max I am defending Mike Tyson for a second. Yes I am a big James Toney Fan But, I still think tyson gets off against Toney, has better hand speed, & far far greater power. Tyson probably knocks Toney senseless. He would be the bigger Guy for once & don't forget he Holyfield landed a barrage of good puches throughout the 1st 4 rounds of that fight which Toney will not be able to handle against Tyson.
Max Kellerman (3:29 PM)
Tyson is still a great puncher, but in all other respects he is very ordinary right now. James Toney is as skilled a boxer as can be, and I feel confident predicting an easy Toney stoppage victory. Tyson, like Holyfield is finished even as a legit mid-level contender.
50 Cent (Upstate NY)
Man, that Corrales vs Casamayor fight was just as good as you said it was gonna be? Do you think Casamayor is as dirty a fighter as I think he is?? He constantly uses headbutts as another weapon in his arsenal. One of the knockdowns was preceded by a headbutt that dazed Chico, then he hit him with a left and put him down. He always fights dirty IMO.
Max Kellerman (3:32 PM)
Many top fighters are dirty - they get away with what they can. Still, Cassmayor deserves a ton of credit for his performance against Corrales, and although I believe Ring Magazine should recognize Acelino Freitas as Jr. lightweight champ (they have the title vacant and rank Freitas #1), it is possible to argue that Cassamayor should be favored against anyone at 130.
Whats So Interesting About Hopkins vs. Joppy? And Do you Still Think Hopkins Would Have Beaten Toney????
Max Kellerman (3:34 PM)
Hopkins-Joppy is just a title defense for Hopkins, the middleweight champ. I would have loved to see Toney-Hopkins, but I'd like Toney in that one.
Mike Louisville. KY
max, why r u always so quick to dismiss Tyson? he knocks out Toney easy
Max Kellerman (3:43 PM)
I think the better question is: why are there so many who are so slow to believe what they see from Tyson. He has not been a top fighter in a long time.
Do you think Corrales would of gone on to win if the fight was not stopped?
Max Kellerman (3:44 PM)
You'd have to make Cassmayor the favorite at the point the fight was stopped, but it was essentially the fight I expected to see, and I expected Corrales to catch and KO Cassmayor. It is probably more likely however, that Cassmamyor would have KO'd Corrales.
Matthew, Tucson, Az
Max, please, who wins, Chris Byrd or James Toney?
Max Kellerman (3:45 PM)
I used to think Byrd was all wrong for Toney, now I am not so sure. Toney is nearly as slick as Byrd and is a better puncher.
Max...come one Why no love on here for Randy the natural Couture!!!!! he is easily the best fighter in the world! now preach the goodness of the natural to the world !
Max Kellerman (3:46 PM)
It can be easily argued that Couture is the greatest fighter in the history of the UFC. His win over Tito Ortiz was great.
Any thoughts on moving the Cruiserweight limit to 200 lbs as the WBC are apparently doing? I think it makes for a great breeding ground for young heavyweights and makes it much more viable as a division unto itself.
Max Kellerman (3:47 PM)
Why 200? Why not 220?
Ken - Vancouver, B.C
Come on Max, one question... will Mayorga Ko Spinks, who wins that fight?
Max Kellerman (3:50 PM)
Mayorga KO's Spinks, who is up on points when he gets caught. Folks, I have to run. Look for my column this week (on Toney-Holyfield of course), watch Around the Horn every weekday (5pm ET), watch Friday Night Fights and support every last thing that I do so that I can be much too rich. -Max