BEREA, Ohio -- A daily review of the hot topics coming out of Cleveland Browns training camp:
Nothing official yet, but from the sound of things the Browns could have two serious injuries to deal with. The most significant sounds like a wrist injury that has sidelined defensive lineman Desmond Bryant and has him seeking a second opinion related to surgery. "At this point," coach Mike Pettine said, "that's still a possibility." Pettine said the wrist has been bothering Bryant for some time, and he tried practicing with different pads to protect it. Wrist surgery for a lineman does not sound good. The other injury is a thumb that kept cornerback Buster Skrine from practice Saturday. Pettine said surgery might be needed for that as well -- but he also said he hoped Skrine would be back for the opener. Pettine said Skrine would be on the list of top players at camp. Neither situation sounds good for players at positions where they need use of their hands.
Pettine finally had his fill of fights. When Mitchell Schwartz and Justin Staples got into a lengthy tussle that left Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas at the bottom of the pile, Pettine had the entire team line up and run. "It's the price of doing business," Pettine said of the scuffles, "but I thought we got out of the realm of being good teammates. Overall, practice to that point was a little too sloppy for my liking, so it was a culmination of the sloppiness and then, the length of the fight." Pettine said that everyone wears the same logo, and added "It's a team sport" to explain why the entire team had to run and not just the participants.
Pettine said he will reach out to Washington coach Jay Gruden to see how long the Washington Redksins' starters will play. Gruden has said it might just be a quarter; if so, Pettine might alter his plan to get Johnny Manziel in the game so he's sure to face the starting defense. "His plan is his plan," Pettine said. "It's his football team, and if we have to make some adjustments to get the matchups we want, then, we will." It's important to Pettine to see Manziel against starters. "You look at the whole picture, who are they in there with and who they are going against," Pettine said. "You don't want to get a false sense. You see some of these backup quarterbacks that are playing well late in preseason games and you fall into that trap of, 'Why isn't he playing?' Then, all of a sudden, they get put in with the 1s and it's a different. You have to understand that when you assess it, you assess it with all the circumstances involved, who they're with and who they're going against."
Pettine has gone back and forth on the fourth preseason game, but Saturday he said his team needs the work so the starters probably would play. Including the quarterback. ... Josh Gordon returned to practice after missing time with a hamstring. Pettine said he's hopeful Gordon will play Monday. ... Brian Hoyer on whether Monday night is crucial with a quarterback decision coming the next day: "Every game is crucial." ... Hoyer added he doesn't watch ESPN so he's not aware of how the game is being promoted. ... No decision yet on whether Rex Grossman will play, but it sounds like Connor Shaw will get a long look in the second half.
Up Next: The Browns are off Sunday as they travel to Washington for Monday Night's game.