Although that much-rumored Jason Bay-to-Tampa Bay deal remains theoretically "alive," as one baseball man with knowledge of the discussions said, those two teams had "very little dialogue" Wednesday. The Pirates do appear to have backed off their earlier attempts to get four players in return for Bay. But they still want all discussions to begin with two high-end prospects. And Tampa Bay has been resisting deals like that for weeks now. One possible reason those conversations between the Rays and Pirates have slowed could involve Manny Ramirez. Officials from several teams theorized Wednesday that if the Red Sox were to trade Manny, they would target Bay as a right-handed bat to replace him.