Ramla Ali doesn't know her exact age. She was born during the height of the Somali Civil War(1981-91. Vital registration systems weren't exactly a priority for a country immersed in conflict. So she doesn't have a birth certificate.
Ali thinks she's around 28 or 29 years old.
When Ali and her family fled the Somali capital of Mogadishu in the early 1990s, she was a toddler. They arrived in England as refugees and settled in London. The U.K. became home. Ali's family learned the language and customs.
Twenty years later, in 2016, Ali became the first Muslim woman to win an English national boxing title. She has her sights set on the 2020 Olympics. Ali wants to represent Somalia at the Tokyo Games. Should she qualify, she will become the first boxer of any gender to represent her country of birth.
"[Being a] refugee has shaped everything about me," said Ali, who shares the September cover of British Vogue with 14 other "forces of change," which was guest-edited by Meghan (Markle), Duchess of Sussex. Other notables on the cover include Laverne Cox, author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Jane Fonda, Salma Hayek, Jameela Jamil and Yara Shahidi.
"Going through war as a child and arriving in this country as a refugee, living through poverty, through bullying in school and coaches telling me I'm not good enough," said Ali, who also holds a first-class law degree from SOAS University of London, "[now] quitting is not an option."
espnW talked to Ali about being a Muslim woman boxer, training for the Olympics and becoming a cover star.
espnW: Was boxing your first love?
Ramla Ali: I began training quite young, at around 13, and enjoyed it. However, I didn't really fall in love with the sport until I was [about] 19. I got hooked during the 2008 Beijing Olympics, watching the likes of [Ukrainian boxer] Vasyl Lomachenko and [British former pro boxer]James DeGale. Boxing is something that grows and grows inside of you until that's all you think about.
I don't remember my first coach's name, but it doesn't really matter as he didn't pay any attention to me. The first trainer who took any interest was an amazing man named Terry Palmer when I was [about] 19. Terry made me believe in myself for the first time. It's his interest in me that allowed me to push myself even further into the sport.
espnW: When did you realize you had the makings of a boxer?
Ali: After my first fight, it's the only thing I wanted to do for a living. But, it didn't click straight away. It wasn't until about 20 amateur fights [under my belt] that I understood properly that hard work will always beat talent. Those other boxers who were just naturally gifted but weren't willing to put in the work and learn slowly fell away from the sport. The ones who stuck with it through failure and defeat would continue to develop -- and have risen to achieve great things. I knew I had what It took because I kept looking forward even in defeat. Although the Olympics is my dream right now, I want to be regarded as a top professional with world titles around my waist. The desire to stop at nothing to get there is what I believe makes a great boxer.
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An absolute honour to have been selected by the Duchess of Sussex Megan Markle @sussexroyal to be included in this years front cover of the September issue for British Vogue. Boxing is a selfish sport by its nature but more important than your own personal goals is what you can do for others wether through the raising awareness of important issues or through inspiration. A massive thank you to 258 / AJ Boxing Management, @laurabaileylondon and the amazing women at @imgmodels and a special thank you to @edward_enninful and the Duchess for making a lifelong dream come true. • • • Introducing the #ForcesForChange September 2019 issue of @BritishVogue, guest-edited by HRH The Duchess of Sussex @SussexRoyal. Photographed by @TheRealPeterLindbergh, with fashion editors @Edward_Enninful and @TheRealGraceCoddington, hair by @BartPumpkin and @SergeNormant, make-up by @TheValGarland and @Diane.Kendal, nails by @LorraineVGriffin and @YukoTsuchihashi. On newsstands Friday 2 August. Starring: @AdutAkech @Gemma_Chan @GretaThunberg @JameelaJamilOfficial @Chimamanda_Adichie @AdwoaAboah @JacindaArdern @FrankieGoesToHayward @CTurlington @SalmaHayek @TheSineadBurke @JaneFonda @LaverneCox @YaraShahidi & Me 🤗
espnW: You were identified as a "force of change'" in your sport and beyond by Meghan (Markle), the Duchess of Sussex -- who guest-edited the September issue of British Vogue. What did it mean to receive that honor?
Ali: Being on the cover has reaffirmed that everything I've sacrificed and worked for in life hasn't gone unnoticed. It's what I think we all hope and wish for -- that our hard work stands for something. I feel privileged to be regarded in the same breath as some of these women [I share a cover with]. And to be selected by her Royal Highness, the Duchess of Sussex is an unbelievable honor. I will annoy my future children with this for a lifetime.
espnW: This honor comes with the responsibility to continue great work. What's next for you?
Ali: From the ongoing refugee crisis or FGM (female genital mutilation) that plagues East African women, there are so many ways sport can help. I hope that I put myself in a position to do this. I can't speak for the Duchess herself, but I hope that she shares the same view as me -- that no matter how hard it might seem and no matter how hard the journey is, it should never deter you from fighting on.
I want people to know that regardless of your circumstance if you believe it and remain committed to it, it will happen for you, too.
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12 countries, one winner....ME and best female bout of the tournament for my fight in the final. Tbh I didn't think I'd make it to the final having drawn the host nation in the semis. But it's a GOLD in these African Zone Championships. Thank you: @nikelondon @liammistry_s_c @atlas_osteopathy @touchtuina @bcfitness_clinic @thealtitudecentre @daveburliston @mr_steff @jennmforeilly
espnW: Did your community and family support your boxing career from the start?
Ali: I fully expected friends and family to not want me to box -- not just because of my Somali or Islamic culture, but because of the perception of females in sport in general. Combat sports historically don't look at women as fighters or athletes. Films on boxing or martial arts, in general, are all about men. So, I didn't expect much in the way of acceptance. I've been competing for over 10 years and have had nearly 60 fights. But it's only been in the last year that friends and family even think of boxing as my career. Access to sport in general needs to improve for children across a broad spectrum of demographics. Asking my family to understand that sport for a woman is a real career was a huge ask, sadly.
espnW: You have an eye on becoming the first boxer to represent Somalia at the 2020 Olympics. Why is it important to represent for your home country?
Ali: The Olympics are the pinnacle of international boxing. To become the first boxer to represent Somalia at an Olympics would be a hell of an underdog story and something that I've dreamt about for a long time. My mother, who has never seen me fight, has agreed to come. It would mean everything to me. It would truly mean the acceptance of who I am.
espnW: How are you training for the Olympics?
Ali: My physical training preparation started 18 months ago, which is six days on and one day off. I train twice a day, so 12 sessions a week. My training program is periodized and works based on eight-week training camps. I spend my mornings focused on conditioning, either on a track or in the Altitude Centre, a room designed to replicate conditions at 2,500+ meters above sea level for improving my cardio capability.
My morning sessions will be working on anything from plyometric work to sprint training. My evenings are spent boxing. I have two or three technical sparring sessions a week which will be theme-based, working on my weaknesses with different training partners. In the lead up to competition, we will have one week which replicates the tournament structure (five days). My coach will line up three to five open sparring sessions across five days to make sure that I can recover and perform each and every day. Otherwise, I will be working on [things like] bag and footwork drills.
Recovery also plays a huge role in my training. I'll visit a physiotherapist, osteopath and sports therapist all separately once a week each to look after my injuries.
espnW: You stopped and started, then stopped and restarted boxing. What kept you going?
Ali: My mother. I've traveled the world and met a lot of amazing people through my job, but I've never met a fighter like her. What she went through and experienced across continents as a refugee, with poverty in England. She experienced loss but still had the fight to continue and just kept pushing on, ensuring her children had a better life and education. That will never leave me. To complain and moan so often is a privilege the majority of our society don't realize they have.
Sometimes you have to bite down on your mouthguard and keep moving forward.